Creative evil?

Post by **Alphonse** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:47 pm

Play nice please guys.

Its a good thread and i dont want to have to lock it

Lucifershex · Post by **Lucifershex** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:54 pm

*bows head* I am sorry don't mean to come off mad...or EVIL.. *lol* But truely ment no offense...just know that EVERYONE has a different take..and no one is truely wrong. But evil by killing npcs in game is just dumb...or killing everyone on sight because your evil is not evil....that is just a criminal with no intelligence. A true evil will try to do things like I said...by hiding the fact he is doing something evil...maybe by even trying to pawn it off that someone else did it...like a rival...etc..

Well Game on. And again...Sorry...if I sounded or targeted anyone...not ment that way...just defending I guess..

Have fun see you all IG..

Kanteletar · Post by **Kanteletar** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:59 pm

Lucifershex wrote: And by the way R. A. Salvatore can teach you about evil characters better than any..

Sorry I coudn't stop my self. In my opinion Salvatore is crappy write that gets cash from typing pages not typing stories.

About evil I would send you to Plato and Secrates works, and to Niccolo Machiavelli.

And there is no good and no evil, there are only people. And ther is no true definition of good and evil, becouse this are moral, social, cultural and knowledge aspects, and world is spinning / changing.

and *bows head to Deamona last post*

Lucifershex · Post by **Lucifershex** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:38 am

I agree as far as good and evil...it is all up to one to decide...It is all based on culture, and such. Wars are fought over good and evil..Do you think that someone on either side believes that they are wrong or evil..No.

And I will not debate on R.A. Salvatore with you. I know him personally being he lives just down the street and like myself is an avid player of MAGIC the gathering. But as far as good and evil you are correct depends on which side you are looking from. BUT as far as NWN it is clearly defined. Killing while it is evil....just shows you have no depth with which to carry your character on. If that was all being evil was about...then evil characters should be banned from rp servers and only allowed in those cvc ones.

Even those who play the I kill others cause I am evil...can be taught delve within themselves and find a truer way to play an evil character. The ones who are just kill, kill, kill...yes there are those...but they are only the lackeys who get caught or framed...And honestly I feel characters that have no depth that are hack slash evil once caught should be sent to the gallows...and hung....so that they are dead...and stay there til there body decomposes ...which should be a RL year..hence held vault jailed suspended. *shrugs* Called making a point...That is where law rules ....In RL evil guys don't go around killing on whims because they are evil because ....In death there is no respawn. You have to play your character like he/she is afraid the Gods aren't going to let him back from death...not like ahh well I will just respawn..

Just some thoughts I had...lol..

Kanteletar · Post by **Kanteletar** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:21 am

I agree that "being evil" is not killing every one who you meet or who you don't like. And i think no one said something like that. Most of evil chars have no problem with killing others (in mental point of view), because evil, usually, do not have respect for life. For evil char killing is like cutting grass. And why "evil guys/girls" kill so often? Most of them want to impress, to show that every one should fear them. Most effective is taking life - you take everything. This helps, people start to think - ok, better avoid this one, because when he will be angry he will not use words.

About writers - i know some too, and I don't like them, even if I like their books. I think, what person is have nothing to do with what kind books he writes. Some one can be cool guy and writes crapy books (in someone's opinion) or the other way: some one can be drunkard, rough man, old guy picking on teenage girls, and he can write great books.
And if the book is good or not it depends on reader. I can give you example: Da Vinci Code by Dan Brown - for a lot (almost whole world) this is great book, great story. For me it is crappy. Why? I liked the style, the story, but before it I read Children of Grail by Berling Peter. And Brown's book was for me like steeling idea from other guy and changing it.
Every one seeks something els in books. I to say why I don't like Salvatore's books - i don't like his style and stories (they are to simple, to easy). You are in half of the book and nothing is going on, and you already know how it will end.

And to cheer the atmosphere.
I hated Harry Potter. I thought it is for stupid people, with no brain. But I have a rule. I will not criticise something i haven't read, saw, tried to understand. And I have read one book... than all of them. Now you can call me man without brain, cause I like it very much.

Marcomartin · Post by **Marcomartin** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:06 pm

Lucifershex wrote:Even those who play the I kill others cause I am evil...

I want to point it, no mater how evil char may be, there is no rp justification for walking and killing all things, i allso think that eweryone here knows it. We dont want to see hypotheticly "Layl Moon" running and killing ewery encountered char or npc.

Lucifershex wrote:You have to play your character like he/she is afraid the Gods aren't going to let him back from death...not like ahh well I will just respawn..

As i recal you have Evil Char that wants to be Helthor cleric, and i remember one time on crypts, that Marco killed Dart for being rude to him

Lucifershex wrote:EVIL: Morally bad or wrong; wicked: an evil tyrant.
Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful: the evil effects of a poor diet.
Characterized by or indicating future misfortune; ominous: evil omens.
Bad or blameworthy by report; infamous: an evil reputation.
Characterized by anger or spite; malicious: an evil temper.

Thanks for this wiki, but this was all about Lawful Evil Player Character. This might be slight diffrence. In rest topics i agree with you

Ps: That was not mentione to offend you, if it did im terribly sorry

Lucifershex · Post by **Lucifershex** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:30 pm

I want to point it, no mater how evil char may be, there is no rp justification for walking and killing all things, i allso think that eweryone here knows it. We dont want to see hypotheticly "Layl Moon" running and killing ewery encountered char or npc.

Correct, I totallyagree with you.. I am so against killing just because one is evil. Dart is NE trying to get to LE..And I can say he hasn't killed....one npc out side of a stray falcon..And once one npc that I emoted slapping when I was on the server bored rping with the npc. yadda yadda and GOT PAWNED and had to do a Dp run...WHICH I thought was completely Awesome..Because I was like sweet at least I know the npc's can handle thier own.

As i recal you have Evil Char that wants to be Helthor cleric, and i remember one time on crypts, that Marco killed Dart for being rude to him

You are completely correct. Dart is trying to follow Helthor, and Dart is afraid of Dying..And I rped his attitude towards others he doesn't know or trust. And yes the two of you mortally wounded Dart. (Thank you for not Dping him BTW) But it was completely expected. And Dart didn't know at that time how powerful the Duo was as well. That was a well played rp scenario on your parts. That is how it should all be, your chars didn't just kill me because you were evil. Dart has his fears and there is a reason he was in the crypt, and also a reason he intends on following Helthor. Every bit of Dart has been Rped. *wink*

EVIL: Morally bad or wrong; wicked: an evil tyrant.
Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful: the evil effects of a poor diet.
Characterized by or indicating future misfortune; ominous: evil omens.
Bad or blameworthy by report; infamous: an evil reputation.
Characterized by anger or spite; malicious: an evil temper

Thanks for this wiki, but this was all about Lawful Evil Player Character. This might be sight diffrence. I rest topics i agree with you

Actually this was taken from Dictionary.com Avlis has a good thing for each alginment.

Ps: That was not mentioned to offend you, if it did im terribly sorry

Not a problem...I take no offense this is an informative. And I love debates/infomative things. I in no way think that I know it all nor do I think I am right about everything. My mind is always open to new Ideas. You have said somethings that have opened my mind and gave me a better perspective in some areas. Life and gaming are about learning to become better than we already are. To stop learning only means that we are truely dead, or just a god..LOL. Don't ever worry about offending me, I am truly hard to offend especially when it comes to do with gaming. These forms are about learning and evolving into better Roleplayers and Gamers.

Especially us EVIL FOLK.

Post by **makelovelikewar** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:08 pm

I'm glad this thread is encouraging thought about the topic. You hear so often about players resorting to "stupid evil" and how annoying it can be to Teams and other players alike. It is nice to discuss "what is evil" and how to play your character's dark side creatively and intelligently so everyone can enjoy it.

Just for fun and because I'm curious: Here's a scenario from one of my PnP games. Is this character evil? (We don't use D&D alignments in this game so it's a matter of opinion.)

Character is a shapeshifting humanoid but does not consider himself human. Character's close friend/mentor is kidnapped and character cannot find him; character is very worried and upset. Character goes to the worst part of town and shapeshifts to that of a helpless lost child. When child is threatened by baddies, he shapeshifts to something monsterous and rips them apart. Repeat scenario until the body count is about 16 baddies dead. He then goes home, angry because his night out didn't blow off enough steam and he's still worried about his friend.

He killed baddies, not goodies, yes. But he killed them terribly (imagine claws, fangs, spleen going "splat!" against the alley wall) and he killed them for no higher purpose than he wanted to "let off some steam." Evil or not?

Post by **corwink** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:45 pm

I would classify him as evil. Maybe lawful evil? Even though he was "killin baddies" does not justify the unnecessary violence or the reason he was there in the first place.

That wouldn't happen to be a World of Darkness pnp would it?

Lucifershex · Post by **Lucifershex** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:55 pm

inner core of his being....he was threatened so therefore provoked into a response of defense. Is it evil....? Well yes and no...if not it is up to the line almost being crossed....Some would say yes evil due to Extreme nature. Some would say no due to it being defense...How would you view it if you were on a jury in that time.??? Evil deed by over doing use of force....OR was it selfdefense....OR even was it caused due to stress..All things can be factored...All of us when over stressed in RL can fly off the handle....and do things we are not known to do nor would we do in our right minds...does that make it EVIL...might not be right but isn't evil. Just some food for thought...

IMOO...Over done was more of a Chaotic act...wether Evil, Nutral not sure...Temp insanity..due to stress...Act up to interpretation....DID he go out with the intent to just kill or did the act Threatened provoke the response...Only you can answer you chars inner thoughts and what intent was...INTENT is what determines everything *GRINS*